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How loud is too loud for church?

Ibandla liyohlala linezethamile ezihlalele ukuligxeka nangamaphutha amancane kakhulu, lokho kuze kwenezele ekutheni libukeke njenganento ewumdlalo engahloniphekile.
The content and the culture of the gospel that is being preached by our generation (especially our peers) is very worrisome.
When I'm talking about the content I mean the quality of the truth behind what we believe and teach. We really don't care whether we are wrong or right, we think we're accepted by God if we're sincere. So our first objective when we ascend the pulpit is to appear sincere rather than being doctrinally sound.
So this attitude has led us to believe that we as Christians must be known by certain images and appearances such as ukudla ulamula (mncaa bebe shiyabonga...)
There's absolutely nothing about being serious enkonzweni, as a matter of fact we ought to be very serious, we can't afford not being serious.
My worry is rather the acting out and trying hard to prove to people that we're spiritual indeed...
How I know we're acting, sithi siserious sinjalo kodwa sibe sinqotshwe umoya wokudlala.

This then leads me to my second point which appears to be the most. The culture.
Lokhu kuAct(a) noma lomdlalo osemasontweni, akulula ukuwuhlonza uma uzalelwe emdlalweni, wakhulela emdlalweni waze waqala ukushumayela khona.

Left me touch some of the things which are the signs of ukudlala.
1. Overconfidence (ubuqhalaqhala)
- I have realized ukuthi most of the wrong things we say on the pulpit are the results of being overconfident such as "puff-puff amaLikes oBrother"
When we're overconfident we forget our place, and that there are elderly people among us. That's why we demand Amen, and if we're not satisfied by the Amens we're getting sisho amagama ayiziswana siwabhekisa kwiAudience enabantu abadala.
2. Noise
- Bazalwane niwubangelani umsindo uma nishumayela.
Owk there's nothing wrong about being a natural loud-person, okubalulekile kusho into eyiyo, but why ufune ukushumayela kanye neKeyboard, nakhona iKeyboard isho le phezulu, iMic isho phezulu, lapho there is no Mic-technic whatsoever, uyisondeza emlonyeni uze uyinamathelise ezindebeni, naleyoMic iyahlohloza... inqobo nje uma ngimemezile ngabanga umsindo, I don't care whether the audience hears what I say ngoba vele kuncane kakhulu ebengifisa ukukusho into esemqoka ukubanga umsindo bese ngithola izincomo ezithi ngigcotshiwe.
Keyboardists, singers, MCs and preachers, niwubangelani umsindo kangaka?
Again there is a difference between being a loud person and a noisy person.

Siyaya nje ePhasikeni but bangaki abathandazela ukuzuzwa kwemiphefumulo nokuthi ibandla likhule ekuqondeni?
Abahlabeleli right now are busy practicing ukuchwechwa.
Abashumayeli are busy preparing "ukuyoshaya" ukuze naNext year ezoyithola leTender.
Uma engekho after service ozothi "Hhay ushayile nceku" useyosokola ke.

Here's a quick test ukuthi nginamanga yini lento angiyishoyo:
Worshipers and Preachers, how do honestly feel when you're about to be given a mic and the load shedding happens?
No back-up yeKeyboard for a preacher, akukho nokucasha emva kweMic ehlohlozayo, and now kudingeka iSermon icacile with clear points and application from the passage you read from.

Engathi singakhumbula kuleliphasika ukuthi umkhosi umayelana noJesu iNkosi eyafa endaweni abantu ukuze abantu bazuze ukuphila.
Umkhosi awukho mayelana nathi nokubukwa sichwechwa, nokuzakhela amagama uma sishumayela.
Ngephasika usuke kugcwele nabantu abangavamile ukuba enkonzweni, it's a perfect opportunity to preach the true gospel with simplicity and clarity.

2Peter 1:1-2

Incwadi ebhalwe ngumphostoli uPetru omunye wabayishumi nambili abahamba neNkosi uJesu baziwa ngokuthi bangabafundi beNkosi.

I.Umlobi (Igama / amagama akhe)
1. Simeyoni.
Igama lakhe leli lesiHebheru elisikhumbuza ngaye engakahlangani noJesu. Yena nomfowabo uAndriya (Andrew) babengabadobi bevela endaweni yaseBhethesda kude buduze naseGalile.

2. Petru.
Leli yigama aliqanjwa uJesu ekuhlanganeni kwabo nokuyigama elisho idwala (the rock). John 1:40-42

Lokhu kusikhumbuza ukuthi kuba njalo vele uma umuntu ehlangana noJesu, uJesu ukufica esimweni esithize bese ekushintsha akubeke kwesinye isimo (You are, but you will be).

II. Imininingwane ngaye (His credentials)

1. Inceku yeNkosi uJesu
Leligama elithi inceku lisasho isigqila seNkosi uJesu.
Lokhu kusho ukuthi uPetru wayezibona njengomuntu ongenayo intando okungeyakhe futhi wayengaziboni njengomuntu ozibusayo noma oziphethe.
Leligama elithi "nceku" lisho ukuzehlisa (humility), nokuzithoba (submissive), nokulalela (obedience).

2. Umphostoli weNkosi uJesu
Umsebenzi womphostoli kwakungukufundisa nokushumayela.
Umphostoli kaJesu kufanele kuqala abe yinceku kaJesu.

III. Abalotshelwayo.
Uthi ilabo abamukeliswe ukukholwa okufana nokwakhe.

1.Uhlobo lokukholwa (character of their faith).
*bakuphiwe. (Akuveli kubo futhi akukho mfutho abawufakile ukuzuza lokhu kukholwa.)

* kuyigugu (ngoba kuholela ekulungisisweni, nasekungcwelisweni kuze kube sekukhazimulisweni)
Sisemhlabeni yebo kodwa singabasezulwini and ukukholwa kuyisibambiso esisixhumanisa nezulu sisemhlabeni

IV. Amazwi okubingelela. (Umkhuleko)

1. Umusa: okuhle esikwenzelwa uNkulunkulu kungasifanele.
LoMusa ungumsusa wokusindiswa kwethu kuze kuyoshaya nakumaBenefit alokhu kukholwa.

2. Ukuthula: Ukuba sendaweni noma emzweni wokwaneliseka okungenaluvalo ngenxa yokwazi ukuthi konke okumaqondana nami kusezandleni ezifanele. (Casting all my cares unto the safe hands of the almighty.)

Umphostoli uhlanganisa lezizinto zombili (umusa nokuthula) ngoba vele akakho umuntu ongaba nokuthula engfumananga umusa kuqala.

Lezizinto ziyandiswa, ngokumazi uNkulunkulu.
So the more we indulge in His Word, we grow into His knowledge, as we grow in His knowledge, these things (grace and peace) get to be multiplied.

Kulezinsuku ezimbalwa ezidlule bekulokhu kusabalala amaVideo abashumayeli beshumayela izinto ezenza olalele asale ebambe ongezansi, abaningi bebephendula ngombuzo othi "Where have we gone wrong as the church?"

Well I know as much as you do ukuthi where we have gone wrong, but I'll remind you again my friend. It is around the question of the importance of studying the Word.

WHY STUDY THE BIBLE?
We study the bible because we want to hear RIGHT, understand RIGHT, and respond RIGHT to God.

"The bible is the only source of absolute divine authority that will inform you of God's mind and will for your life (2Tim. 3:16-17). That is surely the reason enough to study God's word."
John MacArthur

Eph. 4:11-15 tells us that God gifted some people to specifically guide the church towards the right direction.
See uvesi 14... "ukuze singabe sisaba yizingane, sishukunyiswa okwamaza, sipheshulwa yimimoya yonke yezifundiso ngenkohliso yabantu, ngobuqili obunamanamacebo okudukisayo.

So friends, Doctrine is very important in the church.
Doctrine begins with understanding of the Bible, and if we are wrong on this, we're going to be wrong on everything else.
That is because the Bible is our final authority, whatever we believe, and whatever we teach must come out of the Bible.
Evidently, today there's a huge crisis on what should be the authority in the church.
*Some see the CHURCH (denomination) as the authority.... (thina kulenkonzo....)
*Some accept the TRADITION as the authority... (we've been doing like this for years... )
*Some take the EXPERIENCE / INNER VOICE as the authority (God told me...)
Well, many cults began by one man claiming that "God told me", eg Joseph Smith of Mormons and Isaiah Shembe of Nazareth Baptist Church.

Even Jesus being God in man simbona esenzela isibonelo ukuze silandele ezinyathelweni zakhe...
"It is written... " (Matt.4:4).
And very interestingly, His first "it is written" addresses the reason why it is important to study the Bible... Because man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
So before Paul told us that the scripture is God-breathed, Jesus tells us that scripture proceeds from God's mouth.

Not even creeds, confession, and definitely declarations are our authority, although these may express in details what we believe and teach.
What qualifies the Bible to be the only authority is it's inspiration.

Lastly let me remind you that it is impossible to separate the preaching of the Word and the studying of the Word. Whoever is assuming the responsibility of preaching without studying it, is not preaching, but rather they're only getting their opinions across.

2Tim 2:15 emphasizes both aspects:
-Study
-Show yourself approved
..by correctly dividing the word of truth.
Therefore the model is not to get it across, but to get it right, and then get it across.
Especially because the audience of our service is God, rather than men (Show yourself approved TO GOD...)

One of my brothers here on Facebook asked me to give my stand on Tithe this morning. I just responded now, and I thought let me share here also.

Greetings once again my brother.

This issue of tithe or tithing is obviously one of those controversial topics in the present church in that there's so much confusion to an extent that izigebengu zabafundisi zilithola la ithuba lokugebenga umhlambi weNkosi.

Let me first confirm that I believe that giving / collection-aid in the church is biblical.
Secondly, I believe that workers in advancing the gospel should be paid, they should receive their living from the gospel (1Cor. 9:14)
Lastly, Giving 10% of your salary is not a sin on its own, especially if one decides to use it as a system to discipline themselves, but it's never a command for the church..

Any preacher, pastor, evangelist, "apostle or prophet", etc. who makes tithe a doctrine or a pattern to be followed by the church today is a thief. Why?
Any angle one can choose to approach this topic, the tithe-preachers will always proven false or misleading.
You can use Abraham-Melchizedek scenario, the question remains... Did Abraham give from his personal possessions or he gave Melchizedek the spoils which he confiscated from Chedorlaomer victory.

Biblically, there are three types of tithes, and none of them were monetary. Futhi kuyilumbo ukuthi yayingekho imali ngesikhathi uNkulunkulu eshaya umthetho wokweshumi. Yayikhona imali but God never opted for money in relationship to tithe, except when a person would have to travel a long distance to a place of worship and his tithe is too heavy to carry, then he would need to sell his tithe, take THE MONEY (yabona ke ukuthi imali yayikhona?), upon his arrival to a place of worship, he would then buy whatever his heart desires, AND EAT HIS TITHE BEFORE GOD... Deut. 14: 24-25.

1. There was okweshumi okwakwabelwe amaLevi, since they were not permitted to own or work any land.
Remember that no one can claim to be a Levite by faith or by annointung of collecting tithe, a Levite must belong to the lineage of Levi. It might be possible that you can find levites somewhere in Israel, but definitely there's no Levite in South Africa.
The only time the Bible refers to the church members as priests, it calls everyone collectively (not certain individuals with special tunics, seats and claim to be spiritual fathers) see 1 Pet 2:9.

2. There was okweshumi okwakwenzelwa imigidi (fesivals).
Ilokhu ke okwakudliwa umninikho phambi kukaJehova endaweni yokudumisa uJehova.
Lokhu okweshumi, nalokhu okungenhla, kwakukhishwa kanye ngonyaka, hhay ngenyanga.

3. And then there was okweshumi okwakwenzelwa umfokazi, intandane, nomfelokazi.
Unfortunately, although the theme of tithes is continually spoken of in our churches today, however, we don't seem to hear anything about looking after those (abafokazi, izintandane nabafelokazi).
On a contrary today, these are supposed to be paying the so called apostles, so that they'd be blessed. It's a shame.

In fact Deutoronomy 14: 22-29 is very clear on this, and it gives us details of okweshumi as a topic, and if we look at it closely we'll see that it was actually 23% yearly, not 10% monthly.
But isn't it surprising that although tithes is always preached on, yet we don't get sermons from this passage (Deut. 14:22-29).
Instead, we're always blackmailed by Malachi 3:8-10 who has nothing to say about tithes being given by Israelites / congregation.
The story of Malachi begins in Nehemiah 10:38. The Levites were the ones who were supposed to give 10% of their tithes to the priest, so that it was going to be kept in the store-house. Thus Malachi 2:1 clearly says: This instruction is for you PRIESTS... (NOT THE NATION OF ISRAEL).
The priests were the ones robbing God.

Let me give you one reason why today's so-called apostles maintain tithe as God's command for the present church.
Pride.. the reason is Pride. They make tithe the spiritual prerogative which is done to God and will benefit the giver. Yet the New testament way of giving or paying the gospel-proclaimer makes it clear that he (gospel-proclaimer) is the one in need, and will benefit from that collection.
The transfer of earthly wealth to spiritually wealth was explained by Jesus in Matt.25:34-46, when he says if you give to the poor, clothe the poor, visit the sick in hospitals and the prisoners in prisons, if you have done these, then you have done it to me.
So if you want to give to God, look for the poor and those who have no one.

Kufanele yini umzalwane athathe umgomo (vaccine)?

Lombuzo sengiwuzwe izikhathi eziningi futhi ngazizwa nezimpendulo ezahlukahlukene.
1. Indlela ohlelwe ngawo lombuzo (how it's worded/arranged) iveza ukuthi kunezinsolo ezilumbanisa lo mgomo nempilo yakomoya, engicabanga ukuthi kofanele iqale ukucaciswa lapho.
So umbuzo wokuqala before sifike kulo othi kufanele yini noma akufanele yini umzalwane athathe umgomo, yilo othi kukhona yini ukulumbana phakathi kwalomgomo nokufezeka kwezibholofitho ikakhulukazi esigabeni sezinsuku zokugcina?
1(a). Cha, umgomo lo awuhlangene nezibholofitho zikaMphikukristu. Okungukuthi lomgomo awusilo uphawu/igama/isibalo (666) sesilo.
-Uphawu/igama/isibalo sesilo (antichrist) angeke luthathwe engakambulwa umphikukristu.
-Akekho uzoluthwa mhla kwamukelwa uphawu/igama/isibalo, ilowo nalowo ozakwamukela lokhu ngentando yakhe futhi uzobe azi kahle ukuthi wenzani. [Khumbula, ibandla lizobe lihlwithiwe, bese umhlaba uExperienc(a) izinhlupho ezinzima ezingakaze zibonwe emlandweni wezwe. So uma abasemhlabeni bezwa ingcindezi yezinhlupho bayodinga umuntu abazomethemba ukubakhulula kungakhathalekile ukuthi lithini inani lalokho kuvikelwa noma ngabe kusho ukunikela ngezimpilo zabo kusathane. Yingakho ke beyokwamukela ngokuthanda, in other words, these things will not be camouflaged.]
Vaccination is not 666 camouflaged.
Ngakho ke isinqumo sethu sokuthatha nokungathathi umgomo akufanele kube sengathi isinqumo esikhomba ukuqonda okuthize ngemibhalo nezikhathi zokugcina.

1(b). Lombuzo kufanele ugcine esigabeni semizwa, mhlampe nakho ke ukukholwa generally, but not necessarily be based on eschatological understanding. Just like there are quite a lot of people who are not Christians, who think FOR NOW, they don't need vaccination. Abanye isizathu sokungawuthathi sihlangene nomuzwa wabo wepolitiki, kanti abanye ulwazi abanalo phecelezi "theory"

2. If I were to answer umzalwane ukuthi uthini umbono wami ngalomgomo, esigabeni sokuba umzalwane nje generally.
Faith-wise, one's faith compels him to say no to vaccine, because they believe that God takes care of their lives, while the other will want to take vaccine, not because they don't believe in the healing power of God, but they choose to practice their God given freedom to take vaccine with thanksgiving, like kunabazalwane abadla amaphilisi eTB, HIV etc. Lokho akubenzi abazalwane bamanga, kanjalo futhi omunye uzothi God told me not to take ARVs, I don't have a right to criticize or control them based on the size of my faith.
So anyone can chose to either take or reject vaccine based on their faith without judging or looking down upon the other, ngoba ibhaybheli alilahli muntu kulaba.

THE BUSINESS SIDE OF GOSPEL MUSIC.

Throughout the Bible, music has always been significantly part of God's story of Him and Israel, until now the church age. Akuqali ngesizukulwane sethu ukuhlabelela.

If you go back as far as Genesis 4 you'll encounter an arguably the first musician ever recorded by the scripture by the name of Jubal, the 4th generation from Adam through Cain.
Other early references to music include Exodus 15, which records Moses and the Israelites singing a song of victory after the overthrow of the Egyptian army in the Red Sea.

Infact the longest book in the Bible contains only songs [psalms].
Most notable figures in the Bible Moses and David were professional musicians.
The other singsers were Asaph, the sons of Korah, Solomon, Heman etc..

I think, about two times the Bible records that Jesus sang with his disciples.
Paul gave instructions regarding the use of music during Christian gatherings in (Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16.)

The book of Revelation even records the lyrics of the songs sang by the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders before the Lamb who seated on the throne (see Rev. 5:8-10)

All these mentioned above were godly and professional musicians, and there's no doubt that music is still an important part of worship by the church to her majestic God, but none of these musicians ever spoke about the so called "business side of the [gospel] music" lelitemu siliqabuka kulesisizukulwane sethu.

The Bible does, however, warn against business mentality within the the worship gatherings (Luke 19:46) also condemn sharply the use of God's gifts for one's enrichment (Acts 8:18-21).

Kahle kahle ngesizulu esizwakalayo loBusiness side of the music usho ukuqwayiza ngethalente evangelini.

If these guys (musicians in the Bible) were living in our time, I honestly don't see them uploading their small videos on Facebook with a caption "For bookings:0834633999".

There's no such thing as "the business side of the gospel music", it's either you're in business or you serve God with your talent.

Leaders are more guilty on this issue... The day we took a stand to build our churches around Word environment and not on event-based environment ngeke sibe nabaphangi endlini kaNkulunkulu abazitapela iVIP treatment maqede bahambe nesizumbulu senkece bafike ngaphandle bayichithele ezinkanukweni zakubo, kwamhlaba.

Njengoba beqashwa izinyanga nohulumeni, iyona ndawo yabo leyo vele. Manje thina siyaphambanisa sibagxeka endaweni yabo, kanti fanele sishaye amakhala uma sebezokhushuza la endlini yeNkosi.

Indaba yevangeli nendlela ibhaybheli eliyethula ngayo ifuna sengathi ungangakwenqena ukucabanga, unfortunately.

People who deny the assurance of salvation [eternal security phecelezi once (if) saved, always saved] are practically undermining the most neglected doctrines in the church today, the heavenly intercession of Christ.

I understand that when we talk about salvation we always refer to the glorious work of redemption which Christ accomplished back then. We refer to his birth, life, death and resurrection. But what about what he's doing now?

People who deny once saved always saved give reasonable excuses as to how it is possible that someone can be saved today and be unsaved tommorow... Their reasons are established on the two events (what Christ DID to bring man to himself Vs what a man can DO to be rejected by Christ). Obviously the latter will logically seem to have advantageous effect because it is contrasted with what appears to be the past event, probably not as practically efficacious as what can be done today.

But what about what Christ is doing today? What makes us think what Christ is doing today is less important to what Christ did in the past, so much that man's desire is seen as taking eminance?
What makes us think that Christ could go through so much pain to save a soul and fail to intercede for it.

If I had time I would dwell on the subject of intercession and explain that Christ's intercession is not like a supplication done by Christ on our behalf to God who's unwilling to hear him. Infact Christ's intercession has to do with Christ's tender heart rather than a strict and conservative God who don't wanna listen, to prove that the same warm love which motivated him to go to the cross hasn't changed.

In actual fact, Christ's intercession does not suggest that atonement was left incomplete, but intercession is a reflection of the fullness, victory and completeness of his earthly work, not a reflection of anything lacking in his earthly work.

Heb. 7:25 puts it clear that Christ's intercession is about salvation more than anything else. It says He's able to save to the UTTERMOST.
Kunezono esithi uma sizenzile zisibeke endaweni ebukeka ikude neNkosi to an extent that his love and forgiveness seem to not be reaching. Lelivesi elingenhla lithi uKristu usithanda ngendlela ejulile ukuthi uthando nentethelelo yakhe kuthubeleza emajukujukwini okona kwethu kufike kunxephezele ngokwanele.
He knows us to the uttermost, and saves us to the uttermost, because his heart is drawn out to us to the uttermost.
Therefore we cannot sin our way out of his tender care.

[Bantwana bami, nginilobela lokhu ukuba ningoni. Kepha uma umuntu ona, sinoMmeli kuYise, uJesu Kristu olungileyo] 1 John 2:1

"I am a tithe-payer"

This statement nje alone is wrong. This proves the lack of theological understanding around the two covenants fulfilling each other and the story of transitioning from one covenant to another. In the New Testament akukho sikweletu esisele ukuba sikhokhwe ngabazalwane abathe uma bethengwa kwathiwa kufeziwe, the idea of paying in the church constitutes the existence of a debt, and the idea of debt undermines the finished work of Jesus as the ransom.

Bekufanele engabe amakholwa ayayiqaphela nje kwale yokuthi iTerminology yakwaNew Testament doesn't involve words like offering/sacrifice as something that should come from our side.
Offerings and sacrifices belonged to the Old Testament ngesikhathi uNkulunkulu esakubeke ezandleni zomuntu ukwenza ubuyisano naYe & we all know that man failed and that marked the arrival of a perfect sacrifice.
After Jesus had become a perfect sacrifice, man is no longer mandated to make any payment (offering).

The only time the New Testament speaks of a man bringing offering/sacrifices is in Rom.12:1 (OFFERing your bodies as a living SACRIFICE)
Lonke uhlobo lwamaOffering was fulfilled kuJesu.

In connection with giving, we don't pay, futhi we don't offer. We give cheerfully.
That's why in the New Testament it was rather called COLLECTION.

Bab Royal Given Snr again isandla sidlula ikhanda, God bless

IS THERE A BISHOP IN THE FIVE-FOLD MINISTRY?

Firstly: If I were to refer to Eph 4:11 and give it a "fold" I would opt for four (four-fold ministry).
But let's say it's five fold ukuze singayinwebi kakhulu i-argument yanjengamanje, coz whether four/five it's not going to affect the point I want to raise in this particular discussion. The focus here is whether or not there is a bishop on the litsts given by Eph 4:11 (commonly known as five-fold minip

I would like to first mention certain terms and it's definitions:
1. Overseer (traditionally known as Bishop)
-One who looks or watches over
2. Pastor (traditionally known as Shepard)
-One who tends the flock
3. Elder (traditionally known as Presbuteros)
-This one has two components:
a) One who is advanced in years
b) One who is matured spiritually
(When the bible speaks of an elder particularly in the NewTestament, it refers to the latter. That is why when Paul gives to Titus the qualifications of an elder, he says nothing about his age but rather he focuses on the ability to run the affairs of the church)

Now, one cannot fail to see similarities already on the these three services (not offices/positions/titles) before we even get to Greek and scripture references that prove that Bishop, Pastor and Elder is the same person(s).
They are all doing the same thing, watch, look after, care, guide, teach, feed... Bearing in mind that they do all these as stuarts since Jesus is our ultimate Overseer/Shepherd (Scriptures can be provided on request).

The Greek term Poimen which means [Shepherd] is also applied to an Overseer and to an Elder in the Bible, which again proves that these services are synonymous.

Now let me prove once more that in the history of the church, these were seen as the same person(s), I will quote scripters where these three terms (Overseer, elder, shephard) are used in the Bible INTERCHANGEABLY.

"To the ELDERS among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be SHEPERDS of God’s flock that is under your care, WATCHING OVER them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve..."
1 Peter 5:1‭-‬2

"From Miletus, Paul sent to Ephesus for the ELDERS of the church.
Keep WATCH OVER yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be SHEPHERDS of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Acts 20:17‭, ‬28

"An ELDER must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an OVERSEER manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain."
Titus 1:6‭-‬7

[Note: verses 8 of the above scripture says an elder (overseer) should be well established in the doctrine and be able to teach others]

*Question: Is there a Bishop in the "five-fold ministry"?
Answer: Is there a pastor/teacher in the "five-fold ministry"?