09/30/2018
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
Published by Carolyn Abbott · 23 hrs ·
The following is the email I received from the 4 Republican candidates. I have responded that this proposal is not acceptable. I have canceled any previously scheduled forums that they have refused to attend.
Zollinger
Wed, Sep 26, 3:15 PM (2 days ago)
to me, David, garylmarshall, Barbara
Dear Carolyn,
We, the District 30 and 33 Republican candidates, would like to thank both you and the League of Women Voters of Idaho for the invitations to participate in candidate forums. We truly appreciate your efforts in hosting these valuable forums each election cycle. We would be honored to participate in the League of Women Voters of Idaho candidate forums.
As a united Republican team, we are doing much of our campaigning together to minimize time burdens on the citizens of our representative districts. There are a few other candidate forums approaching where we will most likely be appearing together. Because of other commitments and time restraints, we would ask that we all be able to appear on one evening for a joint forum. We would be willing to sit for questions for two hours rather than the scheduled one and one-half hour so more questions could be asked.
We believe that this will enable citizens who would like to hear from all candidates to do so without taking four separate evenings and would also enable all of us to attend rather than some of us having to miss due to other commitments and time restraints. We would also be filming the forums to share with all citizens, so we have a broader reach and can make sure all citizens who want information about our positions have access.
If this arrangement is satisfactory, we would all be available on October 24th or 25th with the preference being on October 25th as one of our members already has a conflict on the 24th. Please let us know as soon as possible which date works best and we will plan on being there on that date for a joint forum.
Sincerely, Barbara Ehardt (Dist. 33 House Candidate)
Dave Lent (District 33 Senate Candidate)
Gary Marshall (District 34 House Candidate)
Bryan Zollinger (District 33 House Candidate)
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings May I ask why this isn't acceptable?
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs Because the Republican candidates are trying to dictate how the forums are run. It is not the League way to do a candidate forum. I have now also posted my rationale.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings I guess that makes sense...but I actually appreciate their efforts to not waste my time.
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs I don't think it's a waste of time to have sufficient time to get responses to audience questions. If we have that many candidates in the room there might be 5 or 6 questions asked and the answers would have to be very brief in order to save time. So 3 nights and about a total of 5 hours of you time total compared to one night with 2 hours is too much time?
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings My other question is that they seem to do it the way that it was suggested by the candidates in Bannock county- why the difference in our county?
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs I've been doing this for about 6 years. Every year and in the past, all of the candidates have been very appreciative of the forums and how they got to address many issues instead of just a few. This is the first time anyone has inferred that it was too much time. I think it's more important for the audience/voters to have the opportunity to ask their questions.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings I've never attended one of your events and I'd like to- but often times- as a republican woman- I feel like a minority at these things and that I and my opinion and questions are unwelcome- would this be a problem or is it fairly attended by members of all parties?
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs I don't determine the demographics of the audience. However, there has been a comment that it's mostly Democrats, but I don't know. Everyone I have talked to has always been friendly. I doubt that anyone would try to make you feel uncomfortable. I welcome you to come. The audience is encouraged to write out their questions on 3x5 cards either before the forum or after it starts. No-one knows who asked the questions. But we won't have any League sponsored forums this year in IF. Compass Academy will be holding a forum for all 8 candidates on the 30th, but they don't ask for audience participation.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings Awesome. I will look forward to it. :)
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Miranda Marquit
Miranda Marquit While the Compass Academy folks always do a great job, I don't think it's enough time to really get to hear from those who would represent us, especially with all eight of them up there. And it would be nice to be able to send in audience questions.
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Andy Frerichs
Andy Frerichs Note: I deleted my previous comments because my math was incorrect. My mind filled Mr. Lent in as District 34, since Mr. Marshall is *actually* District 30. Clearly someone didn't proof read their original email very well (Did Gary Marshall even see this email before it was sent, I wonder?).
That said, the fact remains that the current proposal does disadvantage District 30 voters, since when taking an average that district will only get to hear their candidates speak for 30 minutes.
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Karie Caldwell
Karie Caldwell I didn't view that proposal in any way as them trying to dictate anything. Rather, I only see they made a proposal/suggestion. What is there to get upset about?
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Miranda Marquit
Miranda Marquit I think it's too bad they're trying to avoid answering audience questions. I've attended these in the past, and it's always been great that we get through a bunch of questions, and that the voters actually get to ask the questions. And there have been people from all sides of issues there to ask the questions. I think it's too bad that they think that it's a waste of time to engage with citizens. And I think it's even sadder that there are citizens who think it's a waste of time to actually get to know the candidates and the issues. If our republic fails it will be through the combined apathy of the citizens and a feeling of entitlement on the part of our elected representatives.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings I really don't think they are. In fact, when I've had questions, I've emailed them and they've been very eager to speak with me and address my concerns.
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Miranda Marquit
Miranda Marquit Then why don't they do it publicly so the rest of us can? I think the essence of our democratic republic is PUBLIC participation and greater access for a number of people. In fact, it would probably waste LESS time for them to come out and have a forum publicly, one-on-one with a challenger, so that we could all compare side by side, rather than having them answer the same questions over and over again privately. Just my opinion, but I think public forums and this sort of "job interview" process is valuable for us to be able to evaluate them side by side. As someone who looks at the person and ideas, and would like to see more public engagement and discourse at all levels of government, I think it's too bad none of them are willing to sit down side-by-side and have an exchange of ideas. The fact that there's an unwillingness to have that exchange in public, and the fact that the public is unwilling to participate at that level, is a major problem in our republic right now. It's why we have low voter turnout and a toxic political environment.
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Karie Caldwell
Karie Caldwell Miranda Marquit it was clearly stated in that letter posted above that there are other candidate forums they will be attending. Plural. This is not the only way or only opportunity for citizens to ask questions or learn about candidate's positions.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings Um, you can. Email them all. They are all very willing to have conversations. I think forums are actually QUITE toxic because you usually only get to hear the voices that yell the loudest. I think having conversations one on one actually gets more of a result. Personally, I've spoken with Rep. Ehardt and Rep. Zollinger about issues I'm concerned about and they've done their best to address them. Just try.
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs The forums I organize do NOT become toxic. The audience/constituents do not yell their questions and everyone is civil. Everyone has the opportunity to write their questions and get answers. You seem to have a very skewed idea of how a forum happens.
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Karie Caldwell
Karie Caldwell Regardless, they were politely ASKING you to accommodate their schedules. Not demanding. It appears the unwilling and unworkable party in this situation is the League.
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs Karie Caldwell I had talked to two of the 4 on the email, they stated very clearly that they would only do a forum with all of them there. They did not get buy in from the other candidates and they would not do anything other than what was described. I did not want to mix the two districts nor the senate and republican seats.
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Karie Caldwell
Karie Caldwell Is there a reason Republicans may not want to attend this forum? It sounds as though they're hesitant. Could there be a reason for that?
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs Karie Caldwell Have no idea since they have never voiced any objections in the past.
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League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs
League of Women Voters of Idaho Idaho Falls Members at Large - MALs I am very upset that I won't be hosting the forums in IF this year. Thank you for your comments.
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Heather Colwell
Heather Colwell Wow! How incredibly cowardly. Not a spine left in the whole group.
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Katie Jennings
Katie Jennings How is it cowardly? To come out with a united front?
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Karie Caldwell
Karie Caldwell Heather Colwell Cowardly to make a suggestion/proposal? What a stretch...
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Andy Frerichs
Andy Frerichs Karie: The page moderator had comments which were in reply to another comment which has since been deleted stating that in phone conversations the parties inthis letter indicated that this way the only way they would participate. That's not a suggestion /proposal. That's an ultimatum. In addition, the page moderator also stated that they insisted on recording the event for their own use, which as I understand it is against League rules.
That said, a "united front" is a particularly odd concept in my mind where each candidate is running independently, as an individual. I want to know what each of them thinks, not what the "group" thinks on issues.
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